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Tony, this is the thread on our off season training, seems I've sparked quite a debate over it :P


By: Cyntech
To: Everyone 382319.1
6/1/2003 at 12:25
I was just working with a friend on our offseason training. We're both training Playmaking, so we were intending on training stamina in the offseason.

Now, I will most probably have a qualification match for promotion to Div IV, and my friend won't (he doesn't look like being promoted).

Since I've never seen many people talk about stamina training much in detail, how long do people usually train stamina? Do people train one week stamina, then a week of general to get their form back up? Any other suggestions?


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By: _S_L_A_V_E_
To: Cyntech 382319.2 as reply to 382319.1
6/1/2003 at 12:49
I plan to train one week (week 16), but that is only because Ill likely have a qual and therefore get an extra full week of training.

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By: Cyntech
To: _S_L_A_V_E_ 382319.3 as reply to 382319.2
6/1/2003 at 12:52
When do the Qualification matches happen? On a sunday or Wednesday? Do they happen right after the league matches finish?

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By: _S_L_A_V_E_
To: Cyntech 382319.4 as reply to 382319.3
6/1/2003 at 12:57
Sunday after League

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By: TalBourne
To: Cyntech 382319.5 as reply to 382319.3
6/1/2003 at 13:07
If you have a qualifier then it allows you to have an extra full training week (you have the qualifier Sunday and a friendly midweek as usual) so many people take advantage and train whatever they were on league weeks. If you don't have a qualifier then you can train stamina on both offseason weeks or have 1 week of stam and 1 of general or something else. The choice is up to you of cause but two weeks of stamina WILL hurt many of your players form while 1 week will effect form a little less and general will stablise it.

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By: zippy
To: TalBourne 382319.6 as reply to 382319.5
6/1/2003 at 13:18
My experience of stamina training was quite astounding:

You would think that the players that play in the 'high' stamina positions (midfield, offensive def, defensive scorer, toward middle winger) would gain the most - NOT TRUE...none of my midfielders went up...DOH

I went STRAIGHT back to defence training and had a PLUS 12 form result - so I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND GOING TO GENERAL THE WEEK AFTER - DEFINITELY NOT NECESSARY.

ALSO: Depending on your league position (and I think it would be too early to tell yet) it may be viable to start your offseason 1 or 2 weeks early....if you have 'secured' 3rd say...and are 3 games clear...and have no chance of promotion game...then I can't see the problem to switching to stamina and getting the form fixed BEFORE the start of the next seaxon - for a first up win ...comments welcome...

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By: TalBourne
To: zippy 382319.7 as reply to 382319.6
6/1/2003 at 13:25
Stamina training is like all other forms of training where it effects younger players more then older ones. I have a 30yo player who has raised one level of stamina in the 5 weeks that I've trained it. Plus a 18yo who rose 3 levels in the 2 last off season weeks where I trained stamina.

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By: Cyntech
To: TalBourne 382319.8 as reply to 382319.7
6/1/2003 at 13:30
That's what I would have thought too...

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By: Goooooooobar
To: Cyntech 382319.9 as reply to 382319.1
6/1/2003 at 13:56
Unless you've just went 10 weeks in a row of stamina training, you dont need general training.

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By: Mod-Zaphus
To: Goooooooobar 382319.10 as reply to 382319.9
6/1/2003 at 14:33

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Unless you've just went 10 weeks in a row of stamina training, you dont need general training.
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and if you have just spent 10 weeks training stamina then Sirfire is going to take you out the back and smack you real hard :-)

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By: Volrak
To: Cyntech 382319.11 as reply to 382319.1
6/1/2003 at 16:39
I don't think training 1 week of general is worthwhile, after training stamina. It doesn't "undo" the bad form changes that stamina does, rather, it temporarily makes form better. Stamina decreases background form, general increases current form.. which will tend back towards the background form next week anyway. That's why i don't do it, you're welcome to if you want to though ;)

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By: punker
To: Volrak 382319.12 as reply to 382319.11
6/1/2003 at 17:36
yeh you use general on the bigger games and whoop the arse when they choose not to. and abuse them with their crappy form :P

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By: greenfrog
To: Everyone 382319.13 as reply to 382319.12
6/2/2003 at 00:09
what about a week of set pieces after your week of stamina??

thats what I do, or I sometimes train set pieces and don't touch stamina...

depends on the teams stamina level.

Set pieces is underappreciated!!

Go set pieces!!!

=^..^=

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By: captain_sid
To: greenfrog 382319.14 as reply to 382319.13
6/2/2003 at 04:55
stamina training is like going to the dentist .. you know you have to, but don't enjoy it .. but after a while you wonder what all the anxiety was about

your form hit always recovers ..... eventually

and since a lot of other people are doing the same thing (training stamina off season), most of us are in the same boat formwise as well

and froggy i remember you converted me to set pieces last season :)

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By: bluebeemer
To: Cyntech 382319.15 as reply to 382319.1
6/2/2003 at 05:17
I plan to train about 2-3 weeks of stamina I think depending on who rises in stamina. Cos I have a solid winger with weak stamina, and two second team inner mids with inadequate stamina, and another with weak.

Hopefully then I can change my mids around in friendly or league games due to form drops or rises.

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By: _S_L_A_V_E_
To: bluebeemer 382319.16 as reply to 382319.15
6/2/2003 at 06:04
Unless you are a brand new club with every player in poor form. I would NEVER reccomend a week of general under any circumstances. Half the time it dosnt even do anything. It even has negative effects sometimes. Then, as soon as youve finished it itll fall back down. Its called artificial inflation.

Stamina dosnt even do it that badly, last time I trained stamina for 2 weeks, heres what happened:

Week 1: +4/-2 Form from my "A" squads
Week 2: +2/-2 Form from the "A" squad

General is a complete and utter waste of what could otherwise be a useful week.

Edited 2003-06-02 06:06:41 by _S_L_A_V_E_

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By: Cyntech
To: _S_L_A_V_E_ 382319.17 as reply to 382319.16
6/2/2003 at 06:38
I would have to disagree that it's a complete utter waste of time.

At the end of last season I trainied 3 weeks of General, yes ok I didn't know what I was doing, but that was beside the point. However, over those 3 weeks, I had 12 players go up an average of 2 levels of form (most of them were at either weak or inad) going up to either solid or passable form. Only one player in the whole 3 weeks went down, and he was on a downward trend anyway.

I believe 1 week of general training can do some good, but only if its needed, like SLAVE said, if they're all down in poor/weak form. My team are all excellent to passable form so, I doubt I will need the general training, however my friends team is only 4 or 5 weeks old, so I am thinking he might...

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thank you for the post, its seems that they are recomemding going against general training as it has only a superficial effect.... i might go the week of stamina training and thena week of set pieces, i'll look at form closer to the date and if its still low in most of my players, i will give em a week of general and hope for the best

Thanks for looking into this for me

No prob mate :) I'm still deciding what I'll do. It's definitely going to be a week of stamina, but not sure about what else...

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